Wywiad z Hakki Bilgen korrdynatorem projektu KCA Turcji ( w języku angielskim)
1. Hakki, we have known you as a very responsible partner in our international projects.
Could you tell us about your personal information /your birthplace, your family & childhood/?
I was born in Ceylanpinar on 20th of February, 1968. It is far from Ankara where I was raised. It is interesting that there is a sort of engagement between our recent project on refugees and my birthplace which is a State owned farm just along the border of Syria. At that time, my father was working as an agricultural engineer in this farm. But I don’t know much about my birthplace, because I have visited only once in my life. The name of the village and farm is Ceylanpinar; “ceylan” means gazelle and “pinar” means spring. The name comes from the so many gazelle herds living in the area on the land between Turkey and Syria, crossing the borders. But now, they are protected only on the farm.
Because of my father’s job, we came to Ankara before I was one year old. I finished primary and secondary school in Ankara. Then I took the exam to enter the Kuleli Military High School in Istanbul, and this meant I had to study for four years separately from my family. I spent these years in a historical school building which was built during the Ottoman Empire period along the Bosphorus.
My mother retired from primary school teaching. I have one sister, 14 months younger than me, who is an economist. But I lost my father in 2015.
I am married and have a daughter of 23 years old, who is doing her master study in chemistry, and a son of 17 years old, who is studying at high school. My wife is an English teacher and working as the deputy head of a private primary school.
2. How did you decide to study engineering?
Yes, I studied at the military school, but never wanted to continue in the military academy to be an army commander. I always dreamed to have a civilian profession. I had to study harder to be approved to take the university entrance examination since I had decided to be an engineer. I found myself reading the stories of fighter aircrafts whenever I went to the library. Soon I realized that my future dream job was infact to become a mechanical engineer. Therefore, I quitted the military school life.
I began to study the mechanical engineering in the Middle East Technical University in 1985. My new school was now in Ankara, so I moved back to my city.
3. What is your professional activity?
I am a state officer for 26 years. I am working as an expert in the strategy development department of TurkStat, Turkish Statistical Institute. Actually, I had started my career in this Institute in 1993. At first glance, it may seem strange of an engineer’s working in this kind of Institute. But my duty was in the field of information systems which were very new and challenging in the country, such as remote sensing, GIS, internet, web design etc. They were very interesting topics for me at my young ages. In 1998, I was promoted as the manager of office automation and communication division, responsible for online applications and databases. After 5 years, my division was closed due to the presidential decision! In 2004, I started to work for the Center for EU Education and Youth Programmes that is the Turkish National Agency for Erasmus, and I spent 9 years in Grundtvig department for adult education projects.
4. What is your greatest professional achievement?
It was exactly my work in a Swiss company. When I was an undergraduate student, my training application had been accepted in 1989 by Sulzer Escher Wyss in Zurich. I worked as a trainee for 3 months in laboratory and calculation sections of hydraulic turbines. I tried to perform all the jobs given to me by considering that I would never be in such a worldwide company so that I had to gain as more experience as possible. On the other hand, I had enjoyed the job so much and thought that I could do this till the end of my engineering life. In the farewell party in my last week, the department manager presented me a watch and offered me an opportunity to be with them for the next year. This was the most satisfying moment of my profession because I was told that the engineers had appreciated my performance. Therefore I went to Zurich after my graduation and worked there as an engineer.
But I could work only for 1 year because the company could not extend my working permission. Then the company sent me to its daughter company in Ravensburg, Germany. At first, I was so upset as I had to leave Zurich, later I was honored once more as they recreated new alternatives for me.
5. Have you had any other jobs beside a state official?
I am also working as university teacher since 2015. While I was working, I began to do my MSc study in mechanical engineering in the field of fluid mechanics. Afterwards, I completed my PhD study in the field of technology management. I give lectures as a part-time teacher in the mechanical engineering department of the Turkish Aeronautical Association University.
6. What was the biggest challenge in your life?
It was my MSc thesis. My thesis was awarded as a project by the Scientific and Technological Research Council. It was about the development of a multichannel data acquisition and analysis software for the experimental investigation of cavitating flows in pumps. This is an ordinary story of graduate study. But at that time, 1992, even the PC programming was a new IT area, and in addition I had to write a program on the circuit board for acquiring the pressure data on multichannel tapes and for converting this analog data to digital data. That was the challenging side of professional life. I had to spend an extra year to learn. I succeeded. After I finished, I became a very experienced person in the field of data conversion and the experimental setup I had built was used as lecture content of fluid mechanics laboratory.
7. Do you prefer to work independently or in a team?
I think I am equally comfortable working independently and as a team member, and I see the value in both approaches.
However, I mostly prefer to work with a team. I really enjoy collaborating with a team and brainstorming ideas, working in an environment to spark fresh new ideas.
But it doesn’t mean I can’t work independently. Depending on the project, I also don’t mind working independently to complete my tasks on time. Sometimes if the task is easy enough to cope without a joint study, or if the task requires to find my creative ideas, or when I need to work in a quiet place, I prefer to work on my own, considering it will take less time.
But the overall learning as a member of a group is so valuable that I continue to grow as an individual and working in a team energizes me in positive way.
In fact, the projects require a combination of independent tasks. The existence of a team will offer you the opportunity to think bigger. When a team was built with members who are confident with their abilities, it will be easier to assign the tasks.
Working in team strengthens my abilities to work both alone and with others. I believe in the benefit of sitting and brainstorming with colleagues about best practices, goals, lessons learned, and alternative approaches.
Additionally, having a team behind me gives me confidence that if I come across something I am unsure of while working alone, I have the resources to consult someone who can educate or help me.
8. What do you consider to be your weaknesses?
Sometimes I feel too critical of myself. When I notice that I could have done more or better, I definitely start to search for the reasons and mostly to criticize my deficiencies. Actually I think I am ambitious. When I am working especially on a project, I can keep track of the details, see the essentials and understand the components. But the case of not having the result as I expected leads to my burnout and critical self-talk. As I am aware of this weakness, I generated my solution and I give myself a pause and celebrate my achievements.
I tend to be a perfectionist and can linger on the details. When I worked on engineering projects during my master study, I had to be very careful with the procedures and the deadlines. Today, life is very fast and we must do the jobs in a way not to threaten the deadlines. I am aware of how the way I work affects the team. So it is important to find the balance between being perfect or good and the way I manage time.
I think another area I should work on is my delegation skill. I am always so concerned about everything being done right and on time. Sometimes, I may get stuck in that mentality of “if the others can not do right, I do it.” Naturally, it is not so possible. Therefore I remind myself that I can slow things down if I begin to control all. I learned this when I had the opportunity to manage the international projects with colleagues from different countries. I had never managed such projects that require serious reportings before. So this was a big educational experience in many different ways. It definitely taught me how to delegate by experiencing the difference in management style in these cultures.
I am too direct sometimes. I mean that I can frankly talk to the people. Being very straightforward may be appreciated by my friends. But if I am a bit honest when I collaborate with my colleagues on the job, I will try to remind myself to be more diplomatic.
9. What do you like doing outside of work? What are your hobbies and interests?
One of my favorite things to do is to read. These days, I love reading the books of writers from different countries. It is interesting for me to see various perspectives, to live in the sentences reflecting the peoples’ culture. I prefer short novels: the Unseen of Roy Jacobsen, the Norwegian, is the old times story of fisher family living on a small island, Barroy; Amsterdam of Ian McEwan, the British, is about moral hypocrisy and corrupted society; Montauk of Max Frisch, the Swiss, is a narration about his relations and loves. When I start to talk about books, I can’t stop. One more, Shyness and Dignity of Dag Solstad…
I like writing. I do it for myself. Writing is my shelter. Sometimes the same taste I have when eating the tort bezowy. I can live with only eating good desserts.
I try not to miss the road cycling races of one day or tours. My favorites are Tour de France, Giro D’Italia, Paris-Roubaix and Flanders classics. It is wonderful to watch the combats of riders, strategies to win in all conditions on roads, especially cobble stones. Unfortunately, this sport is not popular in my country. I also deal with football. I am associate member of council board of Genclerbirligi, a super leage team.
10. Tell us about your involvement with E.U. projects.
In 1998, I became the coordinator of Med-is project when I was the division manager of office automation and communication. This project is related with the information systems under Medstat programme for the Mediterranean countries conducted by Eurostat. Till 2004, I completed several sub projects of ICT with EU and Med-countries. One of them is still in use, that is the online system to share the statistical data with Eurostat.
During that time in 2002, the election ushered in a realignment of political landscape. I was also affected and my division was closed. It was a surprise for IT people because my main responsibilities were to establish the intranet and to develop main online database applications running on it using Oracle tools. I know these are very technical details.
In 2004, I was offered a position as an IT expert in the department of EU affairs under the State Planning Organisation. This department later evolved to the Center for EU Education and Youth Programmes, that is the Turkish National Agency. After less than a year only, I decided to work in the department of Grundtvig. So I found myself as a member of the advisory team for adult education projects. I gained a significant experience and knowledge in this field by participating in every stages of the process from the application examination to the approval, from consultancy to report evaluation, in addition organising of contact seminars, conferences, meetings in Turkey and in Europe.
In 2008, after I began to study for my PhD, an idea flashed in my mind. I had to be more active in the area of education. It is clear that I had been drawn to the space of higher education. On the other hand, I had to do something more in that field by considering my experience on adult education. So, in 2012, I established the Global Development Association with the aim to support prosperity growth by providing a competitive environment. In fact, I planned to connect the academic studies to the activities of social responsibility, let’s say a non-governmental organisation. My research subject was related with the competitiveness of defense industry of Turkey. By using the ideas of innovation and development, I could test the collaboration between the studies of a university and NGO. My long-term goal is to organize high quality courses with international standards, considering the needs and priorities of staff of education and training at national and international level. It is important to be accreditated at European level in the field of education. Therefore, for this dream, as a starting point, I need to carry out joint supporting activities with international institutions. Although I had some experience of consulting the educational institutions on the EU projects for 9 years, I didn’t have any practical experience like the project owners.
In 2012, with an unexpected decision of management, I was sent to Turkstat. I felt so sorry, but now, when I think about these days, I see that Faith opened my way to start my plans. First of all, I designed several local courses and built up some discussion groups. Besides, I was thinking about the EU projects and wanted to use my knowledge of the rules and evaluation process. I submitted an application to send a colleague to a contact seminar in Germany. It was approved. Then I submitted an application of Grundtvig partnership project. It was approved. This was one of the most important cornerstones of my project life, and the first step towards meeting UTA.
My association finished the project, BASE (Bridging Arts by Arts for Seniors) with organisations from Poland, Spain and Lithuania between 2013-2015. The meetings and concerts, common spectacles with different music groups in Bialystok, Alcala de Henares, Ankara and Kaunas. The activity was not only a project of music but also an opportunity to meet wonderful and warm friends.
Later, I noticed the needs for training of educators working for my association to be more international. In 2015, I submitted an application for mobility action and completed an Erasmus project (Contribution to Art) by sending 15 teachers and staff to the courses in Italy, Czech Republic, Luxembourg and the Netherlands in 2016.
On July, 2016, a group of soldiers, that was commanded by a religious leader and its organisation, attempted a military coup. They failed. This organisation had many sub organisations so that some of them were NGOs. That caused a skepticism against all the NGOs and the NA decided not to approve our project applications. So I couldn’t continue my projects in 2017.
Lastly in 2018, under the coordination of UTA, we have started a new project about refugees.
The efficiency of the projects lay behind a good relationship, especially a focus to set and oversee goals and to implement a system for scheduling activities to ensure that all partners are adequately involved at all times. I have been really enjoying the part of my work and I am especially interested in bringing the experience I have gained as well as my commitment to efficiency to the teams. Whatever I try to describe about this relationship will be unique. I feel very lucky for my collaboration with all the people in UTA, in Bialystok.
11. How did you get interested in refugee issues?
The matter became a political issue because the Syrian and also Afghani refugees had been accepted to enter Turkey and they scattered everywhere in the country with violation of international refugee rules. I mean they (about 5 million Syrians and unknown number of Afghans) are not living in refugee camps. That situation caused a big opposition in Turkey. The government did let them move to the cities. When considering the bad economics and unemployment, the opposition continuously increases. That is the brief story.
Maybe I should give some details to explain how and why I was influenced.
Turkey now hosts the largest refugee population in the world. Especially after the arrival of Syrian refugees, the society has started to change and will continue to do so for at least one generation.
As a person living in the second biggest and capital city of the country, I and my family have been influenced by the process of transformation in society. The Syrian refugees are residing in urban or semiurban areas, and most of them move to the big cities whenever they take any opportunity.
Actually, that is not a new crisis for Turkey. In the history of Turkey, the people have experienced other mass in-migrations. 350.000 Turks and Muslims came just after the independence war according the 1923 population exchange agreement with Greece. In 1989, Bulgaria expelled more than 300.000 Turks. In addition, at least 1 million people immigrated to Turkey, primarily from the Balkans and the Caucasus and Central Asia. These groups involved either ethnic Turks or other populations who were citizens of Ottomans and open to assimilation into Turkish society. Within several years, these immigrants were absorbed into the Turkish Anatolian melting geographic pot and largely integrated into Turkish society.
But the influx of Syrians can not be considered likewise. First, the population size and nature are different from these previous population influxes.
When the Syrian war broke out in 2011, they began to cross the borders as small groups without a visa. Besides this uncontrolled situation, the Government announced to follow an open-door policy for the refugees. This was the most surprising government decision for the Turkish citizens. Later before the end of 2011, the refugees were given the temporary protection status. But the flow was not limited and temporary.
So the Syrian population is 3.480.000 by the end of 2017 according to UNHCR. This is an official data and not up-to-date. At the beginning, these refugees spread beyond the border regions and cities, and now they reside in all 81 provinces of the country.
They are living in the country since 2011. They marry, die, give births. The babies are now 7 years old and they must go to school. Therefore the integration programme has become very urgent.
But according to the surveys, there is a big obstacle, that is the public’s perception of the refugees. The citizens view Syrian refugees negatively and think that they are lazy, rude, dowdy, untrustable and dangerous. They rise the unemployment among citizens. There are more other reasons such as nonpayment of taxes, terrorism and security problems. In addition, when the citizens can not reach the same free opportunities offered by the government, they become upset, saying that “they feel like a stranger in their own country”, “they never hear Turkish on the street anymore”, “the young Syrian men relax in Turkey instead of fighting for justice at their home”, etc.
Although there is a serious public discussion on Syrians must return home, Turkey must adopt a comprehensive policy of integration. Maybe most of them return, but there is always a possibility of their stay. So the society must prepare for significant number of refugees to remain in the country and must be aware of the importance of their integration for the social harmony.
As you see, the problems will never end. So if the government does not solve, we as the people who worry about the future must take the responsibility. Because we have no other land to go.
There are many ideas like the educational and training remediation opportunities for refugees, who have lost the chance of schooling, or trainings for local people for understanding their struggle to survive and minimising the misperceptions about refugees.
As a person who can not solve that problem personally and who feels responsible, I have decided to do something for improvement of conditions and rehabilitation of people including citizens and refugees. The very first thing was to participate in seminars about refugees. After having a general idea, I searched the laws and rights of refugees.
During that time, some of them attempted to cross the borders to Europe, especially over Agean sea to Greek islands. But we heard many deadly stories. Therefore, this problem evolved to a European crisis. So it is urgently necessary to work mutually.
12. What is your opinion about our project KCA?
“The refugees” is the theme of our project.
It is definitely related to one of the main problems in Turkey.
The project includes many well defined activities to search the fundamental information about refugees, to compare the cases in partner countries and to develop reports reflecting the ideas about educational needs of refugees.
This time we work with partners and support refugees within the tiny environment of our project. Actually, we did it, succeeded while working with refugees in Ankara, last May. Maybe it was only for 2 days. We shared our soul with this small group, showed them that there are some others from all Europe who care for them. We proved that we could do our best with such limited opportunities.
When I was in Bialystok for kick-off meeting, last December, I had been impressed with the truthful touches of the colleagues on this sensitive refugee issue.
So I became quite confident once more that I would not waste the time and I would gain great knowledge about refugees in a project.
And I should emphasize that the project name generated so properly that I am going to learn a lot and gain knowledge, as we aim to provide knowledge the refugees for their acceptance.
I am sure, at the end of the project, I will be satisfied with my plans about creating trainings for both refugees and their teachers. Within the next year, we will see the activities in Florence and Bialystok which give us valuable ideas to prepare the reports, all promotion materials and possible content of the training course.
The working culture and environment in Bialystok and Florence are very suitable to draw a conclusion. I am grateful that all colleagues and participants are willing to share their knowledge. Even more important is that we can work with challenging tasks and gain valuable knowledge together.
Also, I have to say that I am really lucky to have met the president of UTA, Maria Szulga and manager of MoCa, Gilda Esposito and other colleagues in our new project. As you know, I am already familiar with most of the Polish colleagues from the previous project, Base. They are all amazingly nice women who have worked on refugee activities for many years and have a rich working knowledge. They teach me a lot and always guide me on the right way.
Helena Łukaszewicz